What are your thoughts on etiquette?

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What are your thoughts on etiquette?

Post by CKai » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:19 pm

What would be the "Loric" approach? These are hypotheticals, but assume that someone is trying to take more command of their life. They start doing more of what they want to do and less of doing "what they're told." Clearly, a lot of social constructs are there, and we might think they're retarded. Now this individual finds themselves facing the social construct of etiquette.

What do they do?
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Re: What are your thoughts on etiquette?

Post by Daniel » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:08 pm

Well, this is a good question. I think we're going to find ourselves facing more of these types of hypotheticals. If you glance at anything that advocates individual autonomy, it isn't long before people start to accuse it of being wholly selfish or libertarian, or whatever label they want to throw at it.

This is because the first few virtues are all about gaining a sense of autonomy and authority over your life. It has a heavy emphasis on "this is your life, and you should live it your way." It is this way because more people who are looking for help are less confident than cocky (it stands to reason that a cocky or arrogant person would be more likely to say, "Fuck that, I don't need that shit."), and so we start by clearing away doubt, submission, and impulsiveness. These people are also more likely to have been taken advantage of, because of their insecurity and timidity.

We don't teach people to take control of their lives at the expense of others. So even if someone takes it too far, and swings the pendulum way to the antisocial side -- that would not be in line with the other virtues. Temperance is an obvious example. Justice is the other. Prudence. Being reasonable is a huge part of Loricism, so what would that look like in terms of etiquette? Does a loss of tact seem Loric to you? Even knowing that a thing is a social construct, having a degree of decorum doesn't mean you are succumbing to the iron fist of society. You can still be respectful (look at that, another virtue) without agreeing with the thing.

Politeness and courtesy are great, too much politeness is what the autonomy shit is trying to prevent. Overly-accommodating behavior to the point where you get shit on by everybody and you don't do anything to stop it. That's what we are trying to prevent. Etiquette is just plain respect.
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Re: What are your thoughts on etiquette?

Post by Mik Darkashian » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:04 pm

I don't think etiquette, by itself, is used as a tool to manipulate and control. It's just something fancy pants people created, like a tradition almost. Recognize that it's a social construct, sure, but that people aren't trying to be malicious with it. It's just courtesy.

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